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Xethrion · Nov 14, 2005, 09:53 AM // 09:53

Unlock all Skills.

And a player, can amass ectos at the rate of about 2-3 per hour, currently. Might be even more, depending on luck, but that's the average rate I've observed. Note that this is obviously by solo farming.

Skilled Addiction · Nov 14, 2005, 10:42 AM // 10:42

I like how Anet is constantly playing with our world, it's all good.

I run a pretty generous guild and I help my members buy skills and armor and all that jazz. FARMING! It is important! How the hell else can we make the mass amounts of gold to help our fellow members.
By regular game play? Lol! Sure thing.
This newest patch just made things so much harder for me, but w/e. Interesting to say the least.

I don't personally like to farm, but I like to know that when I need to I don't have to spend all day doing it for 100 griff wings. So yeah just keep nerfing Anet. Nerf the skills and nerf the loot. And you will rue the day you release chapter 2 because me and my guild of friends will go play BF2 or something more fun now that this game is about to suck hardcore.

Numa Pompilius · Nov 14, 2005, 10:51 AM // 10:51

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Originally Posted by Feminist Terrorist

Forgive my ignorance, but what is UAS? --- What is EoE?

UAS: Unlock All Skills. I wasn't in the beta, but apparently there was a weekend when all skills were available to people making PvP-only avatars simply by clicking on a button. This was heaven to the PvP'ers, and the PvP community has been aching for that UAS button ever since, as they find playing PvE to unlock skills & items a chore/drag/boring. It's not as big an issue now as it was just after release, when half the threads on this site were always about UAS, as PvP'ers can now easily unlock the skills they want with faction points.
EoE: Edge of Extinction. Ranger spirit which, when one creature dies, does damage to all creatures of same type. Used in PvP to create cascades (one dies & the damage kills another; the damage from both of these kills another etc etc) called "edge-bombs", started by having members of own team commit suicide.

EDIT: FARMING: solo-killing Aatxe or Smite-Crawlers the underworld/fissure of woe with an invincimonk. Apparently. As farming everywhere else is still easy. Those who claim solo-farming is dead should go to Augury Rock, intl district, and see the professional farming army in full action.

Chev of Hardass · Nov 14, 2005, 01:04 PM // 13:04

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Originally Posted by Numa Pompilius

EDIT: Those who claim solo-farming is dead should go to Augury Rock, intl district, and see the professional farming army in full action.

Those are the ones looking for the last hurrah.

Solo farming in Augry Rock has turned into childs play. All you need is 16 in Axe, Mending, Live Vicariously and the ability to hit "C" then "spacebar". There is no longer a giant herd to take on and present a challenge. I suspect that most of the damage comes from Gladiators Defense, however, because of the low quantity of MOBs that can be rounded up at once, anyone can just do it as well as a veteran.

And thanks to Xethrion on the stat about how many Ecto are available in the UW. 2-3 per hour pushes the rewards to ten times what can be found elsewhere alone. Throw in a Eternal Bow once and a while and for the money, you better go to the UW.

Xethrion · Nov 14, 2005, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Unlikely... when I used to farm griffons, pre-patch, I could earn roughly 15-18k per hour.

About 1.2-1.5k per run of 4.5 minutes, excluding ID and selling time every 3 runs.

The main draw of the UW has always been the ecto. If you dont' get any ecto, you're looking at a loss of gold per time spent.

10 times might be a bit high.. more like 5 times I would think, post patch. The patch hasn't slowed down my invincimonk's farming much, and the drops have gotten better because of the spoonfed imonks who can't adapt who are being left out. Much better than griffons now. If not for ettins, my warrior would be gathering dust

PS : I've gotten 11 ecto today in about 3-4 hours of farming. Better than my average rate. Not sure if I was just lucky today.

Wyndy Walker · Nov 14, 2005, 03:36 PM // 15:36

I belong to a fairly good sized guild who has gone from a large group of active players to one where I am often the only one online. When asking fellow guild members why their recent lack of playing most will say that the with all the changes to gw it isn't a game they are finding much enjoyment playing anymore. I too have sat in towns where there is constant complaining about these changes, with the exception of those who are using the changes to make a fortune running other players. Personally I am the type of player that prefers using henchies or guildmates when playing as I am most likely one of the rare older players who has a great dislike of dealing with those who are determined to act like idiots in groups, often resulting in the need to spend hours trying to do something that with henchies would take half as long. Nor am I a player that wants to sit back and just pay while someone else runs the particular mission. I do find myself more and more helping others who are finding the game near impossible to progress on since they are newer to the game and have yet to learn it's subtle strategies for free. That would in itself not be a bad thing however the levels of frustration I myself feel and am hearing in others is definately discouraging me from considering buying future expansions.

I understand the need to try to balance a game especially pvp however not all of us play pvp and it seems as if we are being penalized for those who abuse the game. Perhaps a better solution would be to somehow separate the two or restrict the levels for pvp so those who bulk up don't have the advantage over others there.

I feel you are risking loosing a good majority of people like myself as you attempt to thwart those who would abuse the game. I will now be telling those I see who feel the same way to come here and post their feelings. Hopefully they will, as I think it will help reflect the attitudes that are currently running through the game. I know there are those who bore easily and want harder and harder challenges however there are those who just want to play and have fun too..not to mention those new to the game who are finding it impossible.

Course your mileage may vary

phxhwk · Nov 14, 2005, 03:46 PM // 15:46

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Originally Posted by Alexandria Kotov

And to the farmers out there... I don't think Anet cares about you whining about the griffons and aataxes running away, considering they don't support the idea of farming in the first place.

I think you better do more research...Read the Guild Wars Interview with 1UP.com, they actually state their stand on farming, running, etc...

internetguy · Nov 14, 2005, 04:13 PM // 16:13

Anet do support the idea of farming, they just dont like selling the plat on ebay.

Xethrion · Nov 14, 2005, 04:17 PM // 16:17

ANet doesn't support solo farming. Or at least, solo farming high level areas, where the drops are actually good. They want you to farm in groups of 8. For every single area. Which isn't farming in my opinion, it's 'watch the drops go to other people'. But meh, I have bad luck and I'm bitter. Which is why I always solo farm.

Yukito Kunisaki · Nov 14, 2005, 04:21 PM // 16:21

Wow, so many people not willing to 'evolve' with an ever evolving game...

Sure, the monsters run around like their stupider, but wouldn't that make them easier to kill if you're 'smarter' than they are?

The farmers possibilities have practically fallen down the proverbial toilet and I personally lost my w/n ability to farm with his old Mark of Pain setup, WHICH IS FINE... It's not impossible for me to kill groups, it's just that I need to be more careful, that's all... A Disease inducing W/N through Virulence and Putrid Explosion sounds like a lot of fun to use...

Parties should start treating monsters almost like in a pvp situation. Why? Well, monsters run away now so bringing a snare is going to be of great use. [do I smell trappers anyone? Ice elementalists?]

Monsters seem to know who to attack as well. I saw 4 griff's switch targets when the monk they were hitting put up Shield of Judgement, they went after the ele...

Now we're in a situation where the REAL gamers will adapt and the "I don't want to use much effort" farmers will either get smart and adapt as well, or, as the poll stated, not compromise and leave the game altogether.

Good for them, and better for me. I'm tired of these people selling zealous axe hafts for 20 plat (you heard me, a 1e./hit 1e. degen haft for 20k.... Wtf?

) Maybe now with farming down the tubes, it might actually be worth near that much *not*...

Gold, for us casual players, isn't an easy comodity. To us, who can only run around with barely 20 plat on one char, and none on the others, it has real value. Listening for people selling stuff for 100 plat and the like is downright outrageous. (thankfully, those are mostly 'for show' items and possesses no logical uses whatsoever)

The 'talk' of having an easy 60 plat should be fading now since farming idiots (aka dumb pve monsters) is now a thing of the past... I'm not ditching my axe, but I am using different curses skills to fill my bill... (yay Shadow of Fear)

Keep the pain coming Anet! You know who your REAL gamers are...

internetguy · Nov 14, 2005, 04:50 PM // 16:50

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Originally Posted by Xethrion

ANet doesn't support solo farming. Or at least, solo farming high level areas, where the drops are actually good. They want you to farm in groups of 8. For every single area. Which isn't farming in my opinion, it's 'watch the drops go to other people'. But meh, I have bad luck and I'm bitter. Which is why I always solo farm.

Please read, and understand the interview before have any commend on it.

Xethrion · Nov 14, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by Gaile

Or they prefer being able to solo the Underworld without breaking a sweat. And come on, guys, no one should be soloing the Underworld!

Please read, and understand the statement made by Gaile, before you make a 'commend' on my comment. kthxbye.

And btw, this interview was posted a week ago. Which was when I read it. It seems alright, until you get to the part where 'players amass much more gold more quickly than other players' or something like that. It SOUNDS alright.. until you ask yourselves.. just what is ANet's definition of the average player's gold acquisition rate. 1-1.5k per hour? With FoW armour costing somewhat in access of 1 million, I'm sure as hell NOT going to spend 1000 hours 'playing normally' to get it.

Mordakai · Nov 14, 2005, 05:05 PM // 17:05

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Originally Posted by AllState

Looks like it's back to Playstation for me, cause I can honestly say I wasted $100 & about 500 hours of play time on a company that continues to aim at the veterans of the game.

Yep, you'll need that $100 as a downpayment for the $400 Playstation 3.

(I take it the $100 is for both GW and CoH? Was that really such a bad deal?)

Lord Cooper · Nov 14, 2005, 05:10 PM // 17:10

have the AoE spells (such as firestorm) follow the monster it was cast on. so your spell isnt totally wasted but other monsters can run out of range. you could then lure the monster with firestorm on him onto the group attacking your monk.. which would then scatter out of the firestorm allowing your monk to recover (for example)

Burakus Lightwing · Nov 14, 2005, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Thanks for the poll.
I love playing an ele and this has now made that character useless to a point. What's the point of the mage henchie? He was relatively useless before but now.....
Back to the point, yes some people farm, others don't. Some of us enjoy using AoE spells to deal damage when we are just running through quests and are getting mobbed. AoE is pretty useless in PvP..players know better and now in PvE... there is no point to them. The least that can now be done, is to give us more direct damge spells and completely lose any AoE spells in the game. Just my opinion.

Keyote · Nov 14, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

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Originally Posted by Yukito Kunisaki

Wow, so many people not willing to 'evolve' with an ever evolving game...

When things stop working as they should, it's generally referred to as 'being broken', not 'evolution'.

calamitykell · Nov 14, 2005, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Keyote

When things stop working as they should, it's generally referred to as 'being broken', not 'evolution'.

What doesn't work?

Athis Strider · Nov 14, 2005, 08:03 PM // 20:03

So How is this going to affect the economy? Farmers were sometimes resonable with ther pricing because the amount of time it took to gather goods was minimal. But if now it takes say twice as much, is the pricing in GW going to be relative to the increase of the farmers efforts? I can see it now, gold bow blah blah blah 500K. Am i wrong on this?

Zinats · Nov 14, 2005, 08:11 PM // 20:11

i dont like the update personally,it makes the pve more like pvp,not everyone enjoys pvp, while i do enjoy it sometimes i like to be able to, play with my pve style as well, and even tho i've made the adjustments to my toons, to still enjoy pve the update,really screwed some of my toons,all in all i don't like it!!!!!!

Chev of Hardass · Nov 14, 2005, 08:21 PM // 20:21

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Originally Posted by Athis Strider

So How is this going to affect the economy? Farmers were sometimes resonable with ther pricing because the amount of time it took to gather goods was minimal. But if now it takes say twice as much, is the pricing in GW going to be relative to the increase of the farmers efforts? I can see it now, gold bow blah blah blah 500K. Am i wrong on this?

Well, lets look at this. Items will be in much shorter supply. Lots of people still have incredible quantities of gold. Yes, prices will go up at a rate that will make all the children of Tyria cry.

On the positive...... well there still is no positive. I guess after everyone has spent all of thier money, prices will go back down. However, I suspect that the richest of people have stacks of Ecto, Rubies, and Saphires, since the measily 1mill limit on gold in storage is not enough. So, yea the buyers are screwed.